felinebehavior: When Mommy's Gone

scottrossi (

scottrossi) wrote in

felinebehavior,
@ 2008-03-08 22:10:00

Current mood:

amused

When Mommy's Gone
Whenever my roommate leaves for the day, her two cats start going crazy. One of them, Circe, runs through the house yowling, looking for her mommy, at the same time carrying around one of her "babies." Her baby being a little mouse toy filled with catnip.

I feel terrible when she yowls like this, and I wish there was something I could do for her, lol. She really sounds like she is being tortured.

Usually, this behavior ends when she jumps on the kitchen counter, the top of the fridge, and then to the very top of the kitchen cabinet, where she curls up into a ball, with the "baby" more often than not, and sleeps all day.

What do your cats do when you or another of the "pride" leaves?

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	tequilahcat 2008-03-09 01:29 am (local) (link)
	KittyT yowls through the house like a maniac; Then he goes to his 'safe place' ... to get to it, he has to literally crawl through a maze behind sofas & tables. He curls up and goes to sleep with one eye on the front door & waits for my arrival. (Reply to this)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:38 am (local) (link)
	You are using that icon without my permission. As that icon is my identity on many communities including this one, that is a kind of identity theft. Edited at 2008-03-09 01:39 am (local) (Reply to this)(Thread)(Expand)

	chetchez 2008-03-09 03:23 am (local) (link)
	CAN YOU REPORT ME TOO WHILE YOU'RE AT IT??? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	lyonessnyc 2008-03-09 03:19 pm (local) (link)
	And we're BACK to bestiality. AAAAAAAARGGGHHH!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:27 am (local) (link)
	actually, if you notice, i took the liberty of adding 3 pixels in the lower right. thusly, it is now fair use and protected under the DMCA (digital milennium copyright act) so wisely passed by our fascist overlords. now kinds keep this post on topic, we were talking about kitties! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

synx
2008-03-09 04:28 am (local) (link)

I like griefing as much as everyone else, but making a derivative work based on a copyrighted work is not defensible, even with the DMCA.

Even non-substantial use has actionable basis:
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2006/09/15/the-knack-sue-run-dmc-over-its-tricky-riff/

Making a derivative work that is not substantially different from the original is not fair use.

The More You Know(tm).

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	scottrossi 2008-03-09 04:31 am (local) (link)
	omg this DMCA is serious business. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	yieldsigns 2008-03-09 05:13 am (local) (link)
	mmm, preach it spirit guide sister, yeeeassss. (Reply to this)(Parent)

synx
2008-03-09 04:31 am (local) (link)

I also want to be clear here too, while the letter of the law says it is not defensible fair use, the options for the OP are limited pretty much to "QQ more nub".

Besides, I'm not sure the OP can actually _prove_ she owns the copyright to the item in question. So making threats and whatnot would be considered to be an abuse of the legal system.

Take it as lesson learned, and move on.

Lesson: The more you complain loudly, the worse it gets. Recent proof: wikileaks and Swiss Bank Julius Baer. The bank really got it good.

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	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:53 pm (local) (link)
	She can't prove her copyright to it because it is stolen off of a webcomic that neither her nor the friend that made it drew in the first place. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 03:29 am (local) (link)
	Oh shut the fuck up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 05:26 am (local) (link)
	LOL (Reply to this)(Parent)

	stutts 2008-03-09 03:32 am (local) (link)
	hey guys what is going on with my user icon (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tomlemos 2008-03-09 03:32 am (local) (link)
	you are using the letter I without my permission. I own the letter i on livejournal. Please stop using the letter i immediately. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dantc 2008-03-09 03:33 am (local) (link)
	But you can't spell identity without I! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 03:42 am (local) (link)
	get with the program tomlemos!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chetchez 2008-03-09 04:03 am (local) (link)
	Did you get my check for the licensed use of the letter i? I sent it last week, 44.21 - Higher than usual :( Edited at 2008-03-09 04:04 am (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tomlemos 2008-03-09 04:21 am (local) (link)
	that's okay. you're on your way to the discount. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	garden_snake 2008-03-09 05:56 pm (local) (link)
	omg! now i have to use the icon of my cute kitten, so it can hang out with your cute kitten icon! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pretty_fits 2008-03-09 03:32 am (local) (link)
	oh hay guiz (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 03:32 am (local) (link)
	NO! THIS IS MY IDENTITY! MY FRIEND MADE ME THIS ICON AND IT IS VERY SPECIAL TO ME AND HURTS ME WHEN OTHER PEOPLE USE THE ICON THAT MY FRIEND MADE FOR ME! AND BY MADE I MEAN HE GOT IT OFF A WEBCOMIC AND CROPPED AND RESIZED IT INTO A LJ ICON FOR ME! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 09:21 am (local) (link)
	He added the border too, dumbass. I made this one for you (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:17 pm (local) (link)
	oh thanks, I credited you for your aRt! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:27 pm (local) (link)
	OH, that's sooo nice of you, but really unnecessary. It's not my aRt in the first place, silly! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:36 pm (local) (link)
	lolomg you really did (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 03:42 am (local) (link)
	Nice unique icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:47 am (local) (link)
	THANKS! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	demure 2008-03-09 04:18 am (local) (link)
	If it would make you feel better, you can borrow my identity. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	poppy_kitty 2008-03-09 04:29 am (local) (link)
	I think I will try on your identity, too. Now I can fail on an epic scale as well! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	garden_snake 2008-03-09 05:59 pm (local) (link)
	omg, cute icons of our kittens together! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2008-03-09 06:30 pm (local) (link)
	I don't know if this thread can handle all the cuteness of our kittens combined. Our kittens that we made. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	poppy_kitty 2008-03-09 06:30 pm (local) (link)
	I don't know if this thread can handle all the cuteness of our kittens combined. Our kittens that we made. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 04:45 am (local) (link)
	*NICKED ICONZ = SRS BZNSS!!!!!!* (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	herekittykitty 2008-03-09 10:06 am (local) (link)
	D: (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dieplz 2008-03-09 04:49 am (local) (link)
	Wow, seriously, loosen up a bit. It's just an icon. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rhonan 2008-03-09 05:08 am (local) (link)
	Funny, I snagged this one from someone in cat_macros months ago. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 12:54 pm (local) (link)
	Doubt it. Unless someone had taken my icons before while not being malicious, which I wouldn't have minded nearly as much. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:19 pm (local) (link)
	snatchbeast made me this icon beyotch. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:52 pm (local) (link)
	I've seen that icon way before you stumbled into my pit of fire/LJ yesterday. Fail! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aimee 2008-03-09 05:21 am (local) (link)
	You should call the FBI on all of these dirty icon-nappers right away. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	and here's how you can do it: op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 05:27 am (local) (link)
	FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C. Call (202) 324-3000 or write to the following address: Federal Bureau of Investigation J. Edgar Hoover Building 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, D.C. 20535-0001 http://www.fbi.gov/contactus.htm (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 05:28 am (local) (link)
	It's awfully cute. If I had free space for another icon I would borrow it too. How's your identity? Do you have a good life? Is your name really Carol? That's a pretty name. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 11:55 am (local) (link)
	My name is not Carol. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2008-03-09 02:39 pm (local) (link)
	~In case any of you were wondering, my name is not Carol. Caroljoy is a character in a science fiction triology called "The Forever Hero". Very good books, I highly reccomend them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:02 pm (local) (link)
	I wonder if she got permission from the author to use that name. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2008-03-09 03:15 pm (local) (link)
	lol no i don't think Andrea M. did get permission. they should e-sue!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:46 pm (local) (link)
	You have no right to post that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dantc 2008-03-09 04:52 pm (local) (link)
	And yet. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2008-03-09 05:08 pm (local) (link)
	What if my name were Andrea M. and I had no problem with this? That would give him the right. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:46 pm (local) (link)
	This is not me posting. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:30 pm (local) (link)
	Thanks for the clarification. I mean, you are completely batshit insane, so it's nice to know that you're clarifying that you are not an anonymous commenter here. It really makes a huge difference in assessing your mental state. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:05 am (local) (link)
	Actually, YOU are using that image without the owner's permission. Lucky for you, you are protected under the fair use act by having added a border to the picture. Unlucky for you, since you do not own the picture, you cannot dictate who does and does not use it as you do not own the copyright. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 06:10 am (local) (link)
	I just spent three minutes making this icon from this . I can share it, you may use t if you want. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wring 2008-03-09 09:02 am (local) (link)
	lol burrrrrn! what comic is this? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 09:19 am (local) (link)
	Something lame. It was painful to look for. It's listed in her userinfo, next to this awesome icon. It looks like she stole the icon from me, almost. ALMOST. You want it? I can make the border wider and fix the proportions. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wring 2008-03-09 12:46 pm (local) (link)
	my paid account expired but I'll keep one :D thanks bb! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:36 pm (local) (link)
	anytime! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:03 pm (local) (link)
	If you can't appreciate the great storytelling of between two worlds, then my opinion of you as an idiot is justified. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:09 pm (local) (link)
	ooooo, burn (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 02:18 pm (local) (link)
	X3 The problem here is that it's just your opinion. No one else gives a shit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 02:29 pm (local) (link)
	Oh snap! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theravenflower 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	And if you can't calm down and realize how ridiculous you sound right now, then my opinion of you as a sanctimonious, histrionic cuntface is most definitely justified. (Reply to this)(Parent)

i might like you better if we slept together.

themoonfell
2008-03-09 03:26 pm (local) (link)

it's hilarious that you love it so much. helldump trashed the creator for being pretentious & a bad story-teller. it was lol.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2624590
if you can't read that, http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/John_Solomon#The_Broken_Mirror
or http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/10/broken-mirror.html

i am pointing & laughing at you for liking bad webcomics.

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	pretty_fits 2008-03-09 03:59 pm (local) (link)
	Thanks for those links. I lol'd. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 11:58 am (local) (link)
	I acknowlege where the image is from. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 12:23 pm (local) (link)
	So it isn't yours. Keep digging that hole. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wring 2008-03-09 12:47 pm (local) (link)
	I wonder if the alleged "friend" who "made" the icon even exists. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 12:48 pm (local) (link)
	Since he doesn't have an LJ, I have no way of proving to you people that he exists. Oh well. Glad you got your amusement. How about you find somewhere else to get your LULZ now. No more to be had here. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wring 2008-03-09 12:50 pm (local) (link)
	"he" doesn't have an lj yet "he" creates lj userpics? AMAZING!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 12:52 pm (local) (link)
	He creates 100 by 100 images that can be used as userpics. One does not have to have an LJ to use photoediting software. YOU FAIL. Thanks for playing. Next? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wring 2008-03-09 12:54 pm (local) (link)
	for an imaginary friend, he sure has some mad skillz. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 12:55 pm (local) (link)
	Please continue to post your failure, it is amusing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wring 2008-03-09 01:15 pm (local) (link)
	so are your lies! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:28 pm (local) (link)
	he's a real winnar (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 01:05 pm (local) (link)
	OMG are you claiming someone stole what you stole? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:08 pm (local) (link)
	It is not stealing if you credit, which I do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 01:18 pm (local) (link)
	Ok, to use an example pointed out by the LJ Abuse Overlords themselves years ago, let's say I have a copy of Microsoft software that I did not make myself nor did I purchase and load it onto a computer, but I put a label in/on it somewhere stating that it is from Microsoft. According to your logic, that makes it not stealing, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:21 pm (local) (link)
	If I posted the entire webcomic, then it would be a similar example. As it is your example doesn't work. From a post in a drama community I see you had a bad day yesterday. So you decided to take it out on me? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 01:57 pm (local) (link)
	My day was fabulous! Why do you think it was bad? P.S. Your first mistake was commenting on my LJ without doing proper research. Fail. Edited at 2008-03-09 01:58 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:59 pm (local) (link)
	As said before I apolgized for my INNOCENT mistake. And I figured any day one is posted to stupid_free is probably a bad day. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:02 pm (local) (link)
	It wasn't about me. It was about the marlboro man. Could you not read? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:04 pm (local) (link)
	I just don't bother to read the pit of scum that is stupid free. I skimmed the post. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 02:59 pm (local) (link)
	If you can't bother to get your facts straight, you probably don't belong on the internets. On second thought... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:01 pm (local) (link)
	P.P.S. I was told this by LJ Abuse themselves regarding images/icons a while back. It's their site; they call the shots. You fail! Sorry! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:16 pm (local) (link)
	So if I load just Microsoft Word and not the entire Office suite, it would be OK and not illegal? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 02:35 pm (local) (link)
	Awwww.... jameth is so mean. He's going to make caroljoy cry... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	glamthasil 2008-03-09 04:53 pm (local) (link)
	Wow, that is such a sad picture. Movie or?? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:21 pm (local) (link)
	OH, OK! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 01:22 pm (local) (link)
	You do realize that is completely untrue, right? What if I take the movie Star Wars and make copies of it, but credit "George Lucas and cast" on the DVD rip? That makes it ok, right? I credited! It's not stealing! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:24 pm (local) (link)
	See my reply to jameth. These comparisons you are making don't work. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 01:59 pm (local) (link)
	Yes it does. You are taking someone else's work without their permission and using it as your own while telling others that it is yours and they cannot use it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lulz (Anonymous) 2008-03-09 02:19 pm (local) (link)
	http://brokensaints.com/forums/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=989 (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lulz jameth 2008-03-09 02:24 pm (local) (link)
	Thank you, anonymous! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lulz (Anonymous) 2008-03-09 02:25 pm (local) (link)
	you are welcome!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: lulz caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:50 pm (local) (link)
	EXCUSE ME STOP STALKING ME. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lulz jameth 2008-03-09 06:37 pm (local) (link)
	Stop replying to your own anonymous comments, you stupid whore. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: lulz faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:42 pm (local) (link)
	Please look up the definition of stalking, you stupid cunt. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: lulz (Anonymous) 2008-03-09 06:43 pm (local) (link)
	"I'm an MA student at Claremont Graduate University." Andrea Cangialosi Andrea Brooks (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:15 pm (local) (link)
	Yes, they do work -- you stole the image and claimed it as your own. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:17 pm (local) (link)
	No I never claimed I drew that image. It is fair use. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:20 pm (local) (link)
	And that is our point. It is fair use to take it from you without crediting. (Reply to this)(Parent)

stephanie is a fount of useless knowledge

theravenflower
2008-03-09 02:21 pm (local) (link)

So, then, is the "fair use" of the other people who use the same icon. There is no way to prove that either you OR "your friend" has any kind of special rights to the image, since the distinguishing features of the image are not yours or your friend's. As has been shown countless times before in this thread, just about anyone can take that image and make it into an icon.

Are you being an idiot on purpose, or do you really believe you're *that* special?

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	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:05 pm (local) (link)
	Isn't it obvious that she is a beautiful and unique snowflake? HER FRIEND MADE HER AN ICON FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:22 pm (local) (link)
	Ahh -- but you are telling people it is yours and not to use it -- that is copyright infringement. Giving credit doesnt save you from being a cut who claims the image is hers and no one else's to use. (Reply to this)(Parent)

synx
2008-03-09 04:11 pm (local) (link)

You have a very wrong idea of fair use.

Using someones work even with attribution - not sure if a 1 time "oh i got this from X" lj comment is really 'attribution' - is not protected fair use.

This endless parade of being wrong about copyright law is annoying me. Please to be reading some legal analysis.

People have borrowed even less and gotten in even more trouble than you - Vanilla Ice anyone?

What is fair use? Wikipedia be thine guide:
"Common misunderstandings:

* Acknowledgment of the source makes a use fair. Giving the name of the photographer or author may help, but it is not sufficient on its own. [...] Citing sources generally prevents accusations of plagiarism, but is not a sufficient defense against copyright violations (otherwise, anyone could legally reprint an entire copyrighted book just by citing who wrote it).
* Noncommercial use is invariably fair. Not true, though a judge may take the profit motive or lack thereof into account.
"

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Since Wikipedia is covered by the GNU Free Documentation License which gives explicit and free rights to copy the text in both portion and complete, this isn't an example of fair use, since I already have the legal rights (as does everyone else) to copy as much as I want.

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	jameth 2008-03-09 06:39 pm (local) (link)
	FYI you totally got owned in this thread. Failboat ahoy! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:29 pm (local) (link)
	Uh, yeah, it's still stealing unless it falls under fair use. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:32 pm (local) (link)
	Which it does. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:47 pm (local) (link)
	Yes. All of these Kiwi icons fall under fair use. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 01:50 pm (local) (link)
	Except that Live Journal has a tradition where it is not acceptable to use someone's icon without credit. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:57 pm (local) (link)
	Could you point me in the direction of the LJ TOS rule banning icon theft? I've never seen it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:02 pm (local) (link)
	I never said it was part of the ToS. It is accepted live journal etiquette though. However, people like you probably don't care about etiquette since your main purpose on Live Journal is to make fun of people. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

iheartretards
2008-03-09 02:06 pm (local) (link)

No, it's not, I know that you like to think that it is, but many many people steal their icons.

And I only make fun of the kind of overly sensitive crybaby who whines about their icon, that isn't even theirs, being stolen. You must lead a REALLY simple and easy life if having an lj icon stolen upsets you this much. I suppose that once the rest of us perfect our lives so much that the only thing we have left to worry about is our icons then maybe we could see your point.

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	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:09 pm (local) (link)
	You completly missed my point. Oh well. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 02:12 pm (local) (link)
	You had no point to begin with, nothing you have said is based on anything real. wtf "lj tradition" Are you seriously almost 26 and you're acting like this? I figured you for 16 or 17 until I saw your user info. Man, grow the fuck up already. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:16 pm (local) (link)
	You are the one acting like an immature idiot. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 02:18 pm (local) (link)
	No honey, I'm not. Welcome to the internet. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:21 pm (local) (link)
	Enjoy your distorted icon. I could care less if people make new versions of it from the orginal comic, particularly when they are such low quality. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:33 pm (local) (link)
	Do you think we care if you care? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 02:37 pm (local) (link)
	Oh ok! I can switch back to the one I stole from you then. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:06 pm (local) (link)
	X3 Hence this whole slew of comments, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:32 pm (local) (link)
	Nothing like calling someone immature who uses the name "iheartretards." lol (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 04:22 pm (local) (link)
	well, at least I don't sleep on a bed covered with beanie babies and cabbage patch dolls. lol! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 04:46 pm (local) (link)
	sorry, american girl dolls (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:17 pm (local) (link)
	It's only etiquette with whiney crybabies who think they can own someone else's work and bitch about people using it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 02:20 pm (local) (link)
	Um, LJ Abuse aren't going to give a fuck about your complaints of bad etiquette. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:22 pm (local) (link)
	Well aware of that. They apprently only care about posting personal infomation. I've had issues with you before boomstick, you seem to only enjoy being obcene and making fun of others. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 02:25 pm (local) (link)
	LOL it's cute that you remember me because as far as I know the first time I ever saw your whining was when you started pissing and moaning over at jameth's journal. I also enjoy pointing out grammar and spelling mistakes. P.S. It's obscene. Edited at 2008-03-09 02:25 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:28 pm (local) (link)
	You were posting one of your sexual icons on a community where such icons were not appropriate. I asked you not to and you responded with lots more of them. Sound familiar? Also, I didn't spell check one post. OH NOES! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 02:33 pm (local) (link)
	The thing is that the rest of us know how to spell obscene without using spell check. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	Where do I find this "accepted live journal (sic) etiquette?" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 04:12 pm (local) (link)
	You have to check the "Grand ole book of LJ Traditions" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:00 pm (local) (link)
	Yeah. I'd also like to see that portion of the ToS. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:01 pm (local) (link)
	I never said it was part of the ToS. It is accepted live journal etiquette though. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:06 pm (local) (link)
	OK, so your argument is completely invalid because there is nothing in the LJ ToS (which overrules any sort of "etiquette") stating that you must credit icons. FAILBOAT DEPARTING. ALL ABOARD! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:10 pm (local) (link)
	You completly missed my point. Oh well. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

jameth
2008-03-09 02:15 pm (local) (link)

Oh Cunty McCuntCunt, I got your point loud and clear. Your point is that you think Internet message boards are full of rainbows, kittens, flowers, My Little Ponies, and so forth. Hate to break this to you, but they're not. You can prance throughout the fields of message board etiquette all you wish, but the facts/rules are right there in black and white, ma'am.

Sometimes they're in taupe or chartreuse depending on your journal layout.

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	wesa 2008-03-09 02:17 pm (local) (link)
	Periwinkle is a nice, soothing color I hear. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:35 pm (local) (link)
	You have a point? Is it at the top of your head? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:11 pm (local) (link)
	Point out the part of LJ etiquette where it's appropriate for you to go on a cross-journal, cross-community tantrum because someone took an icon you didn't create, commission or purchase. Thx. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:07 pm (local) (link)
	I am trying to be nice to you but you are making this difficult. You really don't get it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:09 pm (local) (link)
	If this is you trying to be nice I'd hate to see you being mean. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:10 pm (local) (link)
	I have stolen no icons from you, that is being nice. I made my own. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:11 pm (local) (link)
	So refraining from one type of bad conduct now means being nice? Sorry, doesn't work. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:18 pm (local) (link)
	I do not like this icon of yours. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	obeytheturtle 2008-03-09 02:23 pm (local) (link)
	You completely missed the point. Oh well. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 02:52 pm (local) (link)
	Wow! I've been on LJ for 7 years and this is the first I've heard of this tradition. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 03:55 pm (local) (link)
	Andrea, please don't use my icon without my permission: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:34 pm (local) (link)
	Ok, now I can report you to LJ abuse. Thanks so much. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	adameros 2008-03-09 04:42 pm (local) (link)
	Really? What for? It was found image, modified so it falls under fair use rules, and it does not misrepresent anything, nor is it derogatory. Please explain. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:43 pm (local) (link)
	That image is protected as all rights reserved where it is posted. Also you used my name. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dantc 2008-03-09 04:50 pm (local) (link)
	I predict you'll soon be deleting another embarrassing round of comments. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:10 pm (local) (link)
	I think that if it came down to names then more than half the people on livejournal would be in serious ToS violation. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theravenflower 2008-03-09 06:12 pm (local) (link)
	Because you're the only person in the world named Andrea? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:20 pm (local) (link)
	Your name is all over the Internet. Surprise! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:33 pm (local) (link)
	First names dont count. And the icon falls under fair use. You lose. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 06:04 pm (local) (link)
	Please let me know if she sends a DMCA. You have every right to counter notify as this icon falls under fair use; satire. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pretty_fits 2008-03-09 06:04 pm (local) (link)
	Will you also take him to internetcourt? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:41 pm (local) (link)
	That picture is not posted anywhere on livejournal, it is not one of my icons. You must hace stalked me to my photo site account. You have been reported for abuse for posting personally identifying information. Edited at 2008-03-09 04:42 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	adameros 2008-03-09 04:47 pm (local) (link)
	Am I stalking you? No. There was a link posted in another jounral that I read saying there were pictures to use there. I was invited to look at the site, so I did. That is not stalking any more than picking up a National Enquirer and seeing Brad Pitt is stalking Mr. Pitt. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:48 pm (local) (link)
	What journal? None of my pictures are posted "to use". (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

adameros
2008-03-09 04:56 pm (local) (link)

A link was posted to your flickr account where to freely posted it under "caroljoy" with your real name. The journal just has a link to your flickr account.

So I did not provide any information about you that you haven't already freely given online.

As you put the pictures out there, I modified one of the images through heavily editing it to create my own unique image.

I fail to see how I violated the ToS. I followed a link provided to me in a public forum to where you freely gave out your name in conjunction with with your screen name and your image. I used one of the images, heavily editing it to make a new unique image so it is fine to use under fair use rules. Even with the edit, it is still a factual statement in the image, unless you do not pet your cats, so no libel or slander can be claimed.

Please provide information on how I violated the ToS or stop threatening me, or I will be forced to file a complaint against you for threatenning me and making groundless claims against me.

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	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:12 pm (local) (link)
	I see no violations here. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:13 pm (local) (link)
	What journal....? I did not provide it on live journal. My Flickr account has all the pictures as all rights reseved. That means you cannout use them, even to creat your own work. You violated the ToS by posting information I don't provide on this site that would be sufficient to indentify me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:00 pm (local) (link)
	Google. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 06:02 pm (local) (link)
	No, no, Jameth. It's GOOGLE STALK. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Fair and Balanced Blogger: stealin' icons

rhonan
2008-03-09 06:25 pm (local) (link)

Um, you may want to talk to someone who actually knows something about copyright law before you start spewing stupid crap. Yes, you posted the photo's with a note that you were reserving your rights under the copyright laws. That image was still made freely available for viewing, so our artist here was able to legally access the work. He then created a new derivative work as a parody to mock your asinine behavior. Since he is not doing this for profit, and his actions are not taking away from any profit you were receiving for the original work, it would most likely be found to be fair use were it to come to trial.

Now, as for posting identifying information about you Andrea, he would need to post more than just a first name to violate that rule. Hell, it wasn't even identifying you until you acknowledged that it was your name in this thread. There must be thousands of Andreas on ElJay, and you can't be the only Andrea on ElJay that is a crazy cat lady in training. Shit, all someone needed to do was Google your ElJay userid and they'll find your Flicker account with your first name. If you didn't want your real name to be associated with your ElJay, you never should have used the two names together online. Hell, even removing your name from your Flicker won't help, as I'm sure every post to this thread is being archived somewhere else online.

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	FYI jameth 2008-03-09 06:28 pm (local) (link)
	Lulz Inc. has autoarchive set to "on" for these threads. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: FYI rhonan 2008-03-09 06:37 pm (local) (link)
	I had assumed the SOP was being followed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:38 pm (local) (link)
	You violated the ToS by posting information I don't provide on this site that would be sufficient to indentify me. Show us where he did this. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:14 pm (local) (link)
	Are you talking about the Broken Saints forums? I did post some links to my Flickr account there, but you'd have to Google stalk me to find that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:48 pm (local) (link)
	Or just Google. You don't necessarily need to stalk someone to find information on them. Putting information on the internet. It makes it available for the curious, stalking or not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theravenflower 2008-03-09 06:15 pm (local) (link)
	Using google != stalking. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:36 pm (local) (link)
	Looking at pics on public domain =/= stalking. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 04:52 pm (local) (link)
	Andrea, he didn't post any personally identifying information. You, on the other hand, just did. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	popcultureicon 2008-03-09 06:09 pm (local) (link)
	(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 06:10 pm (local) (link)
	That's right up there with ANYONE ELSE USING THIS IS A THEIF. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	popcultureicon 2008-03-09 06:11 pm (local) (link)
	(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 06:17 pm (local) (link)
	LLLOLOOOOLOL (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:21 pm (local) (link)
	Edited at 2008-03-09 06:22 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 06:23 pm (local) (link)
	OMG. I can't breathe. amount of lolling is proportionate to the size of the image. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	xerofilter 2008-03-09 06:35 pm (local) (link)
	epic. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	auntiesiannan 2008-03-09 06:16 pm (local) (link)
	Thora Birch wants her face back. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:20 pm (local) (link)
	(Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 06:34 pm (local) (link)
	Andrea, there has been no identifying personal information posted anywhere here. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 04:59 pm (local) (link)
	This is why we're laughing at your current claims to copyright and latest LJ Abuse reports. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iheartretards 2008-03-09 01:56 pm (local) (link)
	So, your image is stolen as well and therefor not yours at all really meaning you don't own it and you can't tell anyone not to use it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:12 pm (local) (link)
	Did you and your "friend" get the cartoonist's permission to use that image and claim it as your own? Bc thats a copyright infringement. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:14 pm (local) (link)
	Go look at my icons. I note where the image is from. I never claim I own the image. It falls under fair use. You FAIL. Edited at 2008-03-09 02:15 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

faolchu_scatha
2008-03-09 02:20 pm (local) (link)

No -- YOU fail.

Giving credit is not the same as getting permission to use it.

You are claiming th image is yours and that no one else can use it -- when the image clearly belongs to a 3rd party who has not given you permission to use it.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too -- either you own it or you dont -- and either they ALL fall under fair use (a term you had no knowledge of until last night) or they dont and you are breaking the law.

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	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:24 pm (local) (link)
	Don't presume what I know and don't. LJ etiquette dictates that taking icons without permission is wrong, particularly when the person asks people not to. That is different than fair use, which believe me I knew about. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:29 pm (local) (link)
	No -- that's LJ whiny ass baby etiquette for people who cannot live irl. There is no such actual etiquette -- and you cannot tell people what to do with an image you do not own. Period. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theravenflower 2008-03-09 02:32 pm (local) (link)
	LJ etiquette doesn't exist, sunshine, especially with icons that are basically crop-n-resizes. I would maybe, even a little, understand it if your friend had added some artistic value with some actual shopping, but getting your grannypanties in a wad over that icon? Wow. Just wow. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theravenflower 2008-03-09 02:33 pm (local) (link)
	Also, good on you for dropping the "identity theft" claim, since that is even more ridiculous. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:48 pm (local) (link)
	(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:52 pm (local) (link)
	OMG You theif! That's my photo!!! I'm calling the President!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	more lulz (Anonymous) 2008-03-09 02:56 pm (local) (link)
	http://brokensaints.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=173527&highlight= which leads to: http://flickr.com/photos/caroljoy/ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: more lulz scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:00 pm (local) (link)
	oh snap (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: more lulz ichbinhier 2008-03-09 03:01 pm (local) (link)
	A+ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 02:56 pm (local) (link)
	OMG THAT'S MY MACRO BITCH. lol (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 02:23 pm (local) (link)
	I think you missed the point behind asking permission to use. Not the fact that you own (/don't own). (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hepkitten 2008-03-09 02:35 pm (local) (link)
	i think you miss the point of fair use. did you just google the term or actually read the legal definition. plz advz. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

synx
2008-03-09 04:26 pm (local) (link)

It's pretty obvious that she doesn't know the real legal definition of fair use.

She consistently exhibits a "folk" understanding of fair use and is under some serious misconceptions. The whole "if it's attributed it's fair use" thing for example. That's not a legally defensive position, although it seems highly unlikely that someone will sue her over the infringement.

I laid down the clue-by-four in a different comment here. Wikipedia has a good write up about it which, weirdly enough, is top hit on google.

I won't even talk about CC licenses, because that would explode some heads.

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	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:18 pm (local) (link)
	You crack me the fuck up. You really do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:20 pm (local) (link)
	You can use it too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:23 pm (local) (link)
	I did! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pretty_fits 2008-03-09 03:58 pm (local) (link)
	You rock! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	elitist_bitch 2008-03-09 07:17 am (local) (link)
	LOL (Reply to this)(Parent)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 11:03 am (local) (link)
	You can't be serious. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 11:15 am (local) (link)
	Now that's a real icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 11:17 am (local) (link)
	You can use it! I made it myself. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 11:20 am (local) (link)
	I already took it. I just didn't tell you. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 11:21 am (local) (link)
	You took it without my permission??? That's it. I've called the authorities. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 11:24 am (local) (link)
	I hope it's jameth (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 01:30 pm (local) (link)
	Can I steal your icon? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	boomstick 2008-03-09 01:56 pm (local) (link)
	No bitch, I'll call the cops on you >=O (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snatchbeast 2008-03-09 02:06 pm (local) (link)
	=( (Reply to this)(Parent)

	musicgoddess917 2008-03-09 11:37 am (local) (link)
	(Reply to this)(Parent)

	auntiesiannan 2008-03-09 02:44 pm (local) (link)
	PIXEL RAPE OH NOES (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 03:11 pm (local) (link)
	So... You are upset people might be construed as using your fake identity? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 03:23 pm (local) (link)
	I invoke Goodwin's Law: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:37 pm (local) (link)
	Oh, this I love. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	adameros 2008-03-09 03:44 pm (local) (link)
	Is this better or worse? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:46 pm (local) (link)
	You deliver, even if you aren't anon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 03:42 pm (local) (link)
	Your friends-only posts have been stolen: http://caroljoy.on.nimp.org/?u=bantown (Reply to this)(Parent)

girlvinyl
2008-03-09 06:18 pm (local) (link)

What I really dislike about trolls is that they show up in the most ridiculous places and say things that are abusive to people for no reason.

You are really the worst of the worst, Andrea. You come into journals and communities just to start problems. This isn't drama, these are people's lives. And being a bitch just to be a bitch is really fucked up. There is something wrong with you in that you have to go around the internet attacking other people to make yourself feel better. This is the SECOND place I've seen you barge in and become attacking and abusive to people who are doing nothing more than minding their own business. You really should be ashamed of yourself. And you have no life considering the amount of time you spend griefing on other people. You're sick!

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	badrobot68 2008-03-09 03:51 am (local) (link)
	Ella just sleeps. But she sometimes steals my LJ icons. (Reply to this)(Thread)(Expand)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:52 am (local) (link)
	HAHA i see cats aren't so different from people in that respect, LOLOL (Reply to this)(Parent)

	off topic aimee 2008-03-09 04:26 am (local) (link)
	OMG I love your icon. Can I use it? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: off topic scottrossi 2008-03-09 04:29 am (local) (link)
	you can feel free to harvest any of my icons that you wish. i am not going to make a fuss over a 100x100 block of ones and zeroes. lol. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: off topic aimee 2008-03-09 05:19 am (local) (link)
	Thanks! I made some slight changes, so I think that means I own it now. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: off topic scottrossi 2008-03-09 05:19 am (local) (link)
	yay! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: off topic girlvinyl 2008-03-09 03:57 pm (local) (link)
	Oh, cute! I like this new one with the white bars and "silent cat". (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: off topic aimee 2008-03-09 04:25 pm (local) (link)
	hey thanks! It's very meaningful to me. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 11:57 am (local) (link)
	Mod...can you please do something about this stupidness? Sorry for starting something in this community, this was something that started somewhere else, but I wanted to remind the person they were not allowed to use that icon. I suspect the person posted here with that icon just to bother me. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:23 pm (local) (link)
	Yes, they are allowed to use the icon. You dont own that image, Carol. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:26 pm (local) (link)
	Are they also allowed to abuse me? I don't think so. Also, my name is not Carol. Edited at 2008-03-09 02:26 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:28 pm (local) (link)
	Is it Joy? Because that would be really fucking fantastic. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:29 pm (local) (link)
	It's called a username for a reason. Most people don't use their real names on LJ. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 02:31 pm (local) (link)
	i do and i don't appreciate you harassing me and following me to other communities. you are bringing drama YOU STARTED in a personal journal to an innocent community. LOOK WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO felinebehavior!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	captain_flappy 2008-03-09 02:32 pm (local) (link)
	my name is Joanna. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 02:36 pm (local) (link)
	I do. I have nothing to hide. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:43 pm (local) (link)
	Really? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:43 pm (local) (link)
	P.S. You can't hide your usericons. Just delete your damn journal already. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:57 pm (local) (link)
	She has a bunch listed as "do not steal." What should we do? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:09 pm (local) (link)
	USE THEM BUT GIVE CREDIT. THAT ISN'T STEALING. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

caroljoy
2008-03-09 04:31 pm (local) (link)

Any of the ones that are pictures of cats are pictures I took, and therefore have copyright to. I have them posted on a picture site with the designation all rights reserved. That means you can't use them.

Those are most of the ones that say do not take. I can't stop you from taking any of the other icons though. Most that don't have another person credited I made, or they were available for general use.

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	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:01 pm (local) (link)
	Thanks for the clarification on how to be an icon nazi. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:14 pm (local) (link)
	Let me remind you once again: "It is not stealing if you credit, which I do." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:15 pm (local) (link)
	Except that those pictures are copyrighted to me. Different situation. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:16 pm (local) (link)
	How so? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:17 pm (local) (link)
	They are posted on a picture site that has strict copyright protection. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:18 pm (local) (link)
	Don't worry, I give credit!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:19 pm (local) (link)
	In fact, I will give strict credit to your photos! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:20 pm (local) (link)
	Except all rights reserved means you can't use them even with credit. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:21 pm (local) (link)
	did you skip over this? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:49 pm (local) (link)
	HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:59 pm (local) (link)
	ZING! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 06:06 pm (local) (link)
	I <3 you. Always and forever, themoonfell, always and forever. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:20 pm (local) (link)
	the cat drawing is copyrighted to elanor cooper. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:22 pm (local) (link)
	And my use of it is fair use. Their use of my photos is not. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:31 pm (local) (link)
	you're wrong. sorry! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:50 pm (local) (link)
	Are we still on the internet? For a second there I thought I was living in your little world. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ariamagick 2008-03-09 06:30 pm (local) (link)
	round of applause (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 03:38 pm (local) (link)
	Put them in your userpic bank, put the same "do not steal" on it, report her to LJ Abuse for stealing your icons? I dunno. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:30 pm (local) (link)
	If icon stealing could be reported to LJ abuse lots of people would have LJ abuse talking to them by now. Apprently they don't care unless personal information is given out. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 04:33 pm (local) (link)
	exactly, & lol @ you threatening everyone saying you knew ljabuse better than we did (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:15 pm (local) (link)
	Remember: "It is not stealing if you credit, which I do." http://community.livejournal.com/felinebehavior/94984.html?thread=647944#t647944 (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:03 pm (local) (link)
	So if I take the entire Adobe suite from someone else and install it on my computer with a license that is not mine because I do not own it, it's OK as long as I credit that Adobe made the product? Edited at 2008-03-09 06:04 pm (local) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:01 pm (local) (link)
	See? You are boarding the failboat. Congratulations. (Reply to this)(Parent)

caroljoy
2008-03-09 04:29 pm (local) (link)

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:13 pm (local) (link)
	It is not stealing if you credit, which I do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:14 pm (local) (link)
	This is the truth. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:16 pm (local) (link)
	How quickly some people forget! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:19 pm (local) (link)
	It's so heartbreaking. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:16 pm (local) (link)
	Please read the Flickr terms and conditions for all rights reserved. The pictures are copyrighted. To me. You cannot use them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 05:17 pm (local) (link)
	Oh, thanks for letting us all know. Now back to our regularly scheduled program. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:19 pm (local) (link)
	You have given us explicit permission to use them, and that permission is right there, on every single one of your photo posts. Can you see it? I can. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:22 pm (local) (link)
	I have no public photo posts that are not set to all rights reserved. FAIL for not understanding Flickr's ToS. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dantc
2008-03-09 05:22 pm (local) (link)

Me in front of the Hermitage., originally uploaded by caroljoy.

...you don't quite understand how Flickr works, or how you provide anyone with permission to use your photos via Flickr.

Seriously, Andrea. You've got an entire group of people who know more about copyright and LJ TOS than you could ever hope to comprehend. We know what we're doing.

Edited at 2008-03-09 05:23 pm (local)

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caroljoy
2008-03-09 05:26 pm (local) (link)

Read the Flickr information on copyright:

"How can I copyright my photos?

In most parts of the world, including the U.S., Canada, EU countries, and Japan, you are automatically granted copyrights to your photos.

However, the nonprofit Creative Commons offers six default licenses as an alternative to full copyright so you can choose the one that best suits your needs.

Remember that you can only copyright images that you own. This means you can't copyright images that you've taken from somewhere else! Additionally, just because an image does not have a Creative Commons license attached to it, doesn't mean that it is public domain.

You can select a default license for your photos here.

To add a license for a specific picture, click the "Change" link next to your current photo license (usually set to "All rights reserved") near the bottom of your photo page. On the Privacy and Permissions settings page, click the "Add a license to your photo" link on the right side of the page, near the bottom. On the next page, select one of the Creative Commons licenses."

http://www.flickr.com/help/photos/?search=all+rights+reserved#87

So, you cannot use them.

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	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:27 pm (local) (link)
	then you cannot use elanor cooper & jj naas's drawings. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:31 pm (local) (link)
	If I was posting their comic and saying it was mine, that is true I couldn't. However, I am using one panel and giving them credit. If they didn't want people to use their work as icons, they should say so, because people use comics to make icons all the time. I see lots of cartoon images on your icon list that you don't have the rights to. Pot. Kettle. Black. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:33 pm (local) (link)
	i swear you only read half the comments you receive. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:34 pm (local) (link)
	And you only read half my comment at most. I read all of them, stupid though they are. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 06:10 pm (local) (link)
	Sweetie. Credit is completely irrelevant when it comes to copyright. Your logic is so shockingly flawed - even for some stupid cunt on livejournal. It's amazing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:53 pm (local) (link)
	You just repeated all of what we've been trying to say. I THINK WE GOT THROUGH TO HER, GUYS. Now all that's left is for her to learn she needs to apply all of this to herself. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:27 pm (local) (link)
	Except that you specifically allow me to use them. Don't worry, Flickr and/or LJ will eventually point this out to you and what you're doing wrong. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:29 pm (local) (link)
	Explain how that is? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:30 pm (local) (link)
	Oh my god. It's on each and every one of your photos. Can't you see it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:32 pm (local) (link)
	No I don't know what you mean.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	amandathegreat 2008-03-09 05:35 pm (local) (link)
	It's right by the picture of you with green hair. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:44 pm (local) (link)
	There are no pictures of me with green hair on Flickr. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	amandathegreat 2008-03-09 05:49 pm (local) (link)
	lolololol (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:53 pm (local) (link)
	LOLOLLLOLOLOL (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 06:01 pm (local) (link)
	Seriously, what picture do you mean? I had green hair at one point, but those pictures are waaaay to old to be on my Flickr account. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	themoonfell 2008-03-09 05:57 pm (local) (link)
	nice. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 05:58 pm (local) (link)
	Nice reference A+++ (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dantc 2008-03-09 05:36 pm (local) (link)
	Yeah, I know. That's why it's so amusing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 05:44 pm (local) (link)
	Do you mean the download button? That doesn't give you permission. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:26 pm (local) (link)
	P.S. The settings on this particular Flickr account still haven't been set correctly. Example: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1430/818038013_7759be5022.jpg Everyone can still access and download the images. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 06:19 pm (local) (link)
	Please leave Internet immediately and learn how things work before you put your Cunty McCuntCunt photos and comments out here for the entire world to enjoy/mock. Thank you for doing your part to be a Fine Internet Service. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:27 pm (local) (link)
	I'm well aware of that, I just don't feel like using one right now. No, I won't do that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 05:14 pm (local) (link)
	DON'T GIVE HIM THE GRATIFICATION. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aimee 2008-03-09 03:40 pm (local) (link)
	It makes perfect sense to go on a two-day rampage bitching and moaning about a "meaningful" icon that you use with your fake name. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2008-03-09 02:41 pm (local) (link)
	"~In case any of you were wondering, my name is not Carol. Caroljoy is a character in a science fiction triology called "The Forever Hero". Very good books, I highly reccomend them." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	They can do anything they want -- you have the power to stop them by clicking that little red x in the top right hand corner of your screen. But you choose to continue bc you're a nutter butter who thinks she can tell people not to use an image she doesnt own. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:32 pm (local) (link)
	But my little red x is in the left-hand corner of my screen! I can't turn off this train wreck! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:34 pm (local) (link)
	Quick -- turn off your computer -- hit the button -- the button, THE BUTTON. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:41 pm (local) (link)
	OH SHI- (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:32 pm (local) (link)
	Also -- stop with the constant editing of your damn comments, you fucking 'tard. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:24 pm (local) (link)
	If you can prove that we are not allowed to use that particular icon, that you own exclusive rights to it, then maybe we would stop using it. The thing is, you can't prove that. The thing is, you take the Internets too seriously. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:26 pm (local) (link)
	Some people just don't care about etiquette. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:28 pm (local) (link)
	Those involved with Lulz Inc. care about actual Terms of Service laid out by the LiveJournal Overlords. They don't give a flying fuck about you or your feelings or perceived rules etiquette. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	Etiquette is not a law. (Reply to this)(Parent)

scottrossi
2008-03-09 02:34 pm (local) (link)

maybe you should look into the mirror. i will kindly remind you that you are the one who started shit in

jameth's lj, and THEN you attacked ME when i made an innocent post here last night. you don't care about etiquette.

i could easily have made a post here saying "

caroljoy is fucking batshit insane and is smashing her walrus paws against the keyboard angrily in an attempt to justify her claim to ones and zeroes that someone else drew, that i also happened to think was nice and used." but i didn't because that would have been off-topic and against community etiquette and rules.

ugh you Neanderthal!

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	caroljoy 2008-03-09 02:38 pm (local) (link)
	Did you read that whole thread in his journal? I deleted my first comment with an apology for my innocent mistake. He was the one who called in his friends to make something of nothing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 02:40 pm (local) (link)
	what's your excuse for these shenanigans then? you are attacking me in an uninvolved community. did the original incident happen in felinebehavior? yeah i thought not. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	caroljoy 2008-03-09 04:26 pm (local) (link)
	I've belonged to this community for a long time. I suspected you make this post mainly to annoy me. If I was incorrect and you didn't, I'm sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 04:39 pm (local) (link)
	well, i mean, i do have an lj flist for a reason... :( you shouldn't have said anything. i was content to leave well enough alone, and frankly, i quite forgot i even had this icon up. now look what this has caused! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:41 pm (local) (link)
	Oh, thanks for letting us all know how it went down. I am sure your story is 100% right. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:50 pm (local) (link)
	We can't verify because she deleted everything from my lj. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 03:06 pm (local) (link)
	She's such an upstanding citizen--can't we just take her word for it? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:51 pm (local) (link)
	I didn't call in anyone. They read my LJ, see stupid, and react. I can't control them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	amandathegreat 2008-03-09 05:38 pm (local) (link)
	Wait I thought we were all your sockpuppets. D: (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adameros 2008-03-09 03:06 pm (local) (link)
	If you deleted it,how do we know you really apologized? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 04:45 pm (local) (link)
	Oh, we're not friends of his. Just looky-loos who can never resist a good 50-car pileup. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:10 pm (local) (link)
	"walrus paws" made me pee a little when I lolled. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:13 pm (local) (link)
	sometimes i use walrus fronds too, lol. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hexkitten 2008-03-09 04:09 pm (local) (link)
	Dude, etiquette applies only to other people, not to the person crying etiquette violation. By the way, I have a friend named Scott. I don't appreciate that you're using his name in your LJ name without having asked him. Would you please buy a name token and change this? Thx. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:36 pm (local) (link)
	Where was your fucking etiquette last night when you trolled another person's journal for a few hours and then deleted all of your lame-ass comments? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:54 pm (local) (link)
	Exactly! Fuck, my inbox exploded. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:24 pm (local) (link)
	NINE CAR TRAIN FOR FAIL CITY NOW APPROACHING PLATFORM TWO (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wesa 2008-03-09 02:25 pm (local) (link)
	OH SHIT SOMEONE IS GOING TO MISS THEIR TRAIN! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ichbinhier 2008-03-09 02:40 pm (local) (link)
	Sounds like it's time to shutdown the Internet. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jedi_iwakura 2008-03-09 03:28 pm (local) (link)
	ANYONE ELSE USING THIS IS A THEIF. *and probably uses spellcheck. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	suggested by a friend of mine: op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 04:48 pm (local) (link)
	Dear caroljoy: Make an ugly icon in MS Paint in another language and no one will bother to steal it. sincerely, me (and I know I am just asking for it, but I'm doing it for the LOLZ) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jameth 2008-03-09 02:29 pm (local) (link)
	Mod, I believe this post is on-topic and does not violate any of the community rules. Please do not do anything aside from considering the banning of caroljoy for being batshit crazy and harassing other users. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	i have been in this community for a long time now! D: i was attacked out of the blue. D: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	girlvinyl 2008-03-09 03:57 pm (local) (link)
	haha. I think -YOU- are the LOLCAT!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 03:58 pm (local) (link)
	lol (Reply to this)(Parent)

	faolchu_scatha 2008-03-09 02:30 pm (local) (link)
	lol (Reply to this)(Parent)

	op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 03:59 pm (local) (link)
	jameth, I'm Hillary Clinton (or Bill, I can never remember) and I'm suing you for stealing my face(s). Mod, please ban immediately. Also, I am clearly well off the deep end. (Reply to this)(Parent)

coldironkiss
2008-03-09 03:04 pm (local) (link)

Stare sadly as I go out the door, unless I just gave them food - then they're too busy to even care.

When it's time for me to come back, however, they're perched in their cat tree, waiting for the sound of a car. They stare until they hear a key in the lock; then they both jump down and one runs to the door so she can be the first one I see. Then, if I've been gone too late, they sometimes try to guilt trip me into petting them for the rest of the night. T.T

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	kaaaty 2008-03-09 03:51 pm (local) (link)
	i love that this is in cats (Reply to this)(Thread)

	scottrossi 2008-03-09 04:02 pm (local) (link)
	it really shouldn't be, and for that i apologize. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kaaaty 2008-03-09 04:07 pm (local) (link)
	I'm sure I'm not the only non-cat person posting here. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hexkitten 2008-03-09 04:06 pm (local) (link)
	My cat doesn't do anything when we leave. She retaliates when we return home: hiding under the couch and lunging at us, crouching behind our boots and swiping our ankles, etc. Does Circe carry on like this the entire time that your roommate is gone? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	jameth 2008-03-09 04:11 pm (local) (link)
	I like your icon (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hexkitten 2008-03-09 04:13 pm (local) (link)
	Isn't it great? I didn't draw the comic, but I invented cats, so it's not stealing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kaaaty 2008-03-09 04:08 pm (local) (link)
	My little black pug likes cats and always wants to play but cats hiss at him or run away. I was thinking about getting him a cat friend. Thoughts? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	op_tech_glitch 2008-03-09 04:49 pm (local) (link)
	Steal someone else's cat. I hear that's very popular these days. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kaaaty 2008-03-09 05:23 pm (local) (link)
	Yes, good idea. I'll make sure to let everyone know where I stole my cat from and then it will be OK. (Reply to this)(Parent)

jedi_iwakura
2008-03-09 05:06 pm (local) (link)

I used to take Opus out on car rides. Amadeus doesn't like being in the car, so I wouldn't take him. He would get very jealous.

Upon arriving home from our little lap around town he would confront us at the door and howl-meow loudly for upwards of an hour. And stick his ass in my face or lay all over me.

Then when he is done with this he attacks Opus and kneads at his belly.

I'm not sure why cats do these things. XD

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	jameth 2008-03-09 06:39 pm (local) (link)
	it's 3am and there is a phone in the white house ringing. (Reply to this)

	doughynut 2008-03-09 06:55 pm (local) (link)
	I think there may be other "hidden" issues at work here (Reply to this)

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